Typically, I ignore articles that I see float around social media. Mostly because I'm tired of reading lists. But if I see an article from multiple sources I will give it a gander, even if it would normally go against my better judgement. It was upon reading one of these articles that inspired this post. The post was from Relevant magazine, Christianity's pop culture pulse. You might have seen it: "What the Continued Crucifying Of Rob Bell Says About Modern Christianity". If you have not seen it you can read it here.

The heart of the article is something I agree with and have been saying some time about the conservative American church - a lot of the church's reaction is based in fear. Pick any topic in the church and start asking questions that are seldom asked and you will get some strong reactions. From my experience the subconscious thought pattern is this; if you don't comply to a (our) particular application of scripture then you probably do not have a good (correct) understanding of scripture; and if you are lacking in understanding of scripture then you probably do not hold a correct view of Jesus and God; and if you do not have a correct view of Jesus and God then we question your faith and/or salvation. This is one side to which the pendulum swings. Not all take it to this extreme, but this is where fear can take some circles of conservative Christianity. From my reading, I can agree with the article on this level.

But this is where I must depart from my agreement with the article for I believe the article may be pushing the pendulum to far the other way. The other side the pendulum swings to is where we are all too inclusive in the name of love and uncertainty. The article swings this way by a misunderstanding of how categories work and not mentioning something about Rob Bell's "sin".

One thing that has helped me in my learning of philosophy and theology and pretty much everything else is building categories. Building categories helps me better understand a subject and how said subject relates to another appropriately. [If you would like an introduction to the categories that I speak of check out Stanford's Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on Categories here. This is all I did in systematic theology classes. I built categories in my mind and attempted to become more and more consistent with my beliefs. As I constructed categories I then began to see more clearly how some things related to others.

I bring up this topic of categories because this is how I approach the topic of orthodoxy. This is something that seems like Pavlovitz (the author of the article) sarcastically takes for granted;" There are two religious menu options when it comes to orthodoxy: totality or heresy." Well... Yeah. He then continues, "the moment that anyone, however prayerful or thoughtful or earnest they may be, comes to a conclusion other than what has been defined as acceptable, they get kicked to the curb." Well... Yeah. That's how orthodoxy and heresy has always worked.

Within Christianity you know how you fall into certain camps by what boxes you check. You check the boxes a certain way, you're catholic, another way, you're a Presbyterian, another way, you're a baptist. When you check boxes (or don't) that these groups have all agreed upon since the early councils then you are a heretic. It is a category and, as some say, "if the boot fits".

The article does bring up questions about what heresy looks like now. In our pop culture, post reformation era, is social media outcries and blog post condemnation the new format as opposed to exile? How does the church, in unity, identify heresy today? What does a formal rejection of teaching look like from Protestant camps? These are all questions for another post.

Let this post remind us that if Rob Bell did not do anything wrong, he did not do anything well either. I'm not sure if Bell is a heretic, to be fair. Truth be told, Bell has not declared enough for me to confidently declare on this blog that no one reads that the boot does, indeed, fit. But what I do know is Rob Bell's "sin", his book Love Wins, sucked. I know I'm strange, I believe that academic formats and channels are actually the proper and helpful ways to sift through the world of ideas. I'm not talking about Bell's stylistic format but more the lack of citations, references, and comprehensive argument. Pavlovitz was right; it did bring up a lot of questions. But those questions left us nowhere and warranted many of the questions of Bell's stance that followed the publication. Pavlovitz critiqued Christianity for the lack of Dialogue, but I believe Bell did not help the opportunity for conversation by the way he initiated it. Because in the end the book read as if it was halfway through a thought. The sad reality is that we never got the follow up.

Let me conclude with this; the goal of this post is to find the golden mean and avoid the continuation of the pendulum. Let us not fall into the fear of who's in and out but let us also not fall into the fear of seeming unloving because we're rightly using categories. As Christians we love God and we love people, as Pavlovitz said, but the best way to do both is through truth and the application thereof.

Pride and the Tower

Posted by Samuel J. Keithley On 9:01 AM 0 comments

One of the most frustrating things about being at a bible college is the competitiveness in people to know God the most. Because somehow, somewhere along the way to getting to Moody Bible Institute we get this idea that your passion and vigor for knowing everything you can about God and his word makes you more spiritual. Pride is a serpent that slides within the body of Christ and infects a person with its venom that can be deadly to the entire body if not caught immediately. This is especially potent when you group a bunch of people who want to be leaders in ministry.

Now don’t get me wrong, this isn’t a suffering student enraged at the system because I don’t quite measure up to some of the people I meet here. I’m just like you. I want to do theology because I love God. Many people make the analogy of loving God to a relationship here on earth. Churchwell, a teacher and director of PCM and internships out here at Moody-Spokane, spoke in chapel and made this analogy. He continued to make the point that he can think of his wife by getting her chocolates and she would love them because it was token that he was thinking of her. “But”, Churchwell said, “my wife isn’t that into chocolates, she loves a bouquet of colorful wild flowers. See there’s a difference between thinking of my wife and thinking of her rightly”. The same applies to God. There’s a difference about thinking about God and thinking rightly about God. We could go into discussions about how your right thinking of God in your relationship with Him affects religion, doctrine, and action and we could bring up terms like “orthodox” and “heresy” but I want to focus on the core of it all- the relationship with God.

In writing a review of a test in my Topics of Systematic Theology class I wrote this: A common theme in the test that I recognized is that there is always a give and take between the parts and the whole of systematic theology. Tension between paying attention to details to make sure we get it right and seeing the big picture to make sure that the details are amounting to anything makes up a lot of the art of balancing a theology. If the point of theology is to know and love God, which Clark claims and I agree to, then the question is systematic theology important and is this balancing act worth it has an obvious answer. The part I love is the emphasis on application, which somehow gets lost in the study. We don’t want to become an ivory tower theologian who has our nose so far in our books that we don’t see the effect of that knowledge in life. I want to learn the lesson from the life Abelard- a man who was renown for his theology, but not for his morality. If my theology, though clear, thorough and consistent, doesn’t affect my love (emphasis on the action-verb sense of the word [y’know, like what DC Talk was saying in the 90s]) of God then I don’t think I’m really learning anything.

There are dangers when your relationship with God evolves into a study in your own ivory tower:

You wear that cross like a crown. You wear that cross like a dagger. Come down from that tower, come down from that tower. - “Vipers, Snakes, and Actors”- Norma Jean, The Anti-Mother


It is a blessing to go to Moody. It may be just what I’ve been told growing up, but Moody is world-renown for Christian education and training. It’s easy to get into this mindset that I’m a student studying the Bible at the Moody Bible Institute. That I am doing what few people can do because I get the opportunity to study at MBI-Spokane. “I must be something special”. That’s all that needs to get in my head and I can forget why I’m here, I can forget why I’m studying what I’m studying, I forget how I got out here to MBI-Spokane. Then I get the loving reminder of Prof Schneider, “This isn’t real life. Get that through your head, you will not be doing this forever. But thank God for that”. (Schneider is the teacher of the Topics in Systematic Theology course).

Some of the greatest men that had an impact on my life weren’t as smart as some of the students that I go to school with in regards to the Bible and theology, etc, etc. But they had an impact on me cause they cared of Christ and they cared for me. They showed me their faith and relationship in Christ every time we talked. I saw it with other things they did. I saw how they sinned. I saw how they repented. I saw how they were victorious. In the scheme of things, I was more impacted by their life than I was by their knowledge. Pastor Nemers back in Iowa says, “It can’t get to your heart unless it goes through your head”. But I think it can’t get to your heart if it just stays in your head.
I have to preface that this post started as a casual conversation with my cousin who asked some good questions. I will update sources and add references and support as I am able to have more time to research.

I think my friend had an appropriate response. Good theology, good knowing of who God is, is a gift of God's revelation. Good interpretation of general and special revelation is a gift that God gave us insight to. And we shouldn't wield that gift of grace against those that are blind or led astray because then we're bordering on hate, and that's when it becomes a problem with us.

I don't think that it's wrong to ask these questions. And honestly, this is what I love about Rob Bell's preaching style and I think I've adopted a lot from it. He asks questions that pop into all of our heads and then he asks more questions to narrow down what we're really talking about and then offers some insight. But I just realized something- this is almost the logical fallacy of begging the question. All of his rhetorical questions almost lead the listener to the same sentiments, if not the same conclusion.

I agree with his point of "How do you know?". Dallas Willard, a Christian philosophy professor at USC, though some think that he borderlines the universalist line as well, said that we can't really know people's heart and that ultimately the salvation faith that we think of is a "circumcision of the heart" (Romans 2:29) that no one else can really know. Because I don't know if my roommate is putting on a good show or really believes what he claims to. Now I believe we have a good idea with what we can see in people's lives. (James' "works" [James 2:18-26], but Jesus multiple references of "good and bad fruit" [Matthew 3:10, Matthew 7:15-20, Matthew 12:33, John 15)

Here's the challenge-able points though that don't sit well with me.
1) In the video, he asks the questions about the Gospel out of the (wrong) teaching that at the heart of the Gospel is Jesus saving us from Hell. While that is true, it's the wrong emphasis that sets up the legitimacy of the basis for his next questions. The center of the Gospel is a God that loves something that he has every reason to dispose of. That for some odd reason a God that claims that he is a Just God, and the source of any sense of justice that we have as humans, wants to give us a way out of a grave that we so systematically and thoroughly dug ourselves. His last question "how is this good news?" all of a sudden sounds like not that good of a question.

2) In the blurb that the publisher put up here's what makes me uneasy- "Bell addresses one of the most controversial issues of faith—the afterlife—arguing that a loving God would never sentence human souls to eternal suffering. With searing insight, Bell puts hell on trial..." (qtd in Taylor's article, http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2011/02/26/rob-bell-universalist/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+between2worlds+%28Between+Two+Worlds%29). God would never sentence souls to eternal suffering. But if you look at sin, God doesn't make us sin. And if sin is death, and sin is our choice away from God, then didn't we sentence our self? Bell puts hell on trial- what do you do if there's no Hell or if hell doesn't serve any purpose other than to punish Satan and the angels that sinned (2 Pete 2:4). What do you about Sheol in the old testament (specifically in Isaiah 14:12-15, where we get 'Lucifer' and the belief he was cast down)?

I believe that Bonhoffer in "The Cost of Discipleship" can lend a hand. Read it and dwell on "cheap grace" and how that would apply to heaven/hell.

I don't know for sure if Rob Bell is bringing up good questions for an honest discussion or if he is setting up a universalist view for sure. I loved the end of the video because it gave me hope because I do believe that the Gospel is better than "good news" and I do believe love wins. But it doesn't seem to be the way that Bell is making it sound like he believes.

The reason this reaction comes up like this is because if you question this, you pull in a whole lot more that you have to answer for that the Church has held orthodox for so long. I've brought up a few of the questions that are brought in but you have to go farther. I'm not trying to make an appeal to authority or tradition, but I'm also saying that there is value of thinkers whose thoughts that have been around longer than a typical human life.

I don't know, this is really more of a start than a conclusion of anything. But let me know what you think! This is really good that you're wondering, and you're absolutely justified in thinking that the hammer came swift and hard. Sometimes it's hard to see what's an enemy and what's a misguided brother.

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